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		<title>By: Mr. Thursday</title>
		<link>http://mmdays.com/2008/03/11/eeggi_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-15912</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Thursday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>怕貼網址會壞掉
把網置貼在這邊
例子的網址
http://cs.brynmawr.edu/~dkumar/UGAI/logic.html
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John McCarthy 
Circumscription - A Form of Nonmonotonic Reasoning was published in Artificial Intelligence in 1980.
http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/circumscription.html</description>
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把網置貼在這邊<br />
例子的網址<br />
<a href="http://cs.brynmawr.edu/~dkumar/UGAI/logic.html" rel="nofollow">http://cs.brynmawr.edu/~dkumar/UGAI/logic.html</a><br />
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John McCarthy<br />
Circumscription - A Form of Nonmonotonic Reasoning was published in Artificial Intelligence in 1980.<br />
<a href="http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/circumscription.html" rel="nofollow">http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/circumscription.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Thursday</title>
		<link>http://mmdays.com/2008/03/11/eeggi_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-15911</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Thursday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>嗯...我舉的例子其實有些簡化...
正確的例子應該是像下面這個樣子 (Google到的資料)
Default Reasoning 
If time permits, default reasoning and/or circumscription can also be introduced. 
Consider the following: 

Tweety is a bird.
Birds fly.
Therefore, Tweety flies.

What if we also know that: 

Penguins are birds.
Penguins do not fly.
Tweety is a penguin.
Therefore, Tweety does not fly!

Default reasoning provides a solution. A default rule specifies a plausible inference:

Typically birds fly.

I.e., In the absence of evidence to the contrary, all birds fly. Since it can now be shown that Tweety is a penguin, and penguins do not fly, and hence Tweety does not fly, the default rule will not be applicable. 

In the absence of the fact that Tweety is a penguin, the default inference would still be possible. Later on, if it is asserted that Tweety is a penguin, the earlier inference would have to be retracted. Such logics are called nonmonotonic. One has to extend FOPC to include such default rules.

所以應該是一個 "預設規則" (default reasoning)的問題
後來還有人發明circumscription...也就是預設一些東西不成立 
(好像又太簡化...不過大致的意思是這樣子)
第一個提出circumscription的人似乎是McCarthy的樣子...
東西好多有空有興趣在繼續研究吧 :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>嗯&#8230;我舉的例子其實有些簡化&#8230;<br />
正確的例子應該是像下面這個樣子 (Google到的資料)<br />
Default Reasoning<br />
If time permits, default reasoning and/or circumscription can also be introduced.<br />
Consider the following: </p>
<p>Tweety is a bird.<br />
Birds fly.<br />
Therefore, Tweety flies.</p>
<p>What if we also know that: </p>
<p>Penguins are birds.<br />
Penguins do not fly.<br />
Tweety is a penguin.<br />
Therefore, Tweety does not fly!</p>
<p>Default reasoning provides a solution. A default rule specifies a plausible inference:</p>
<p>Typically birds fly.</p>
<p>I.e., In the absence of evidence to the contrary, all birds fly. Since it can now be shown that Tweety is a penguin, and penguins do not fly, and hence Tweety does not fly, the default rule will not be applicable. </p>
<p>In the absence of the fact that Tweety is a penguin, the default inference would still be possible. Later on, if it is asserted that Tweety is a penguin, the earlier inference would have to be retracted. Such logics are called nonmonotonic. One has to extend FOPC to include such default rules.</p>
<p>所以應該是一個 &#8220;預設規則&#8221; (default reasoning)的問題<br />
後來還有人發明circumscription&#8230;也就是預設一些東西不成立<br />
(好像又太簡化&#8230;不過大致的意思是這樣子)<br />
第一個提出circumscription的人似乎是McCarthy的樣子&#8230;<br />
東西好多有空有興趣在繼續研究吧 <img src='http://mmdays.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: nevercool</title>
		<link>http://mmdays.com/2008/03/11/eeggi_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-15909</link>
		<dc:creator>nevercool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>嗯，上面例子中的那個反例不代表邏輯推論錯誤吧。
三段式論證本身是純粹嚴謹的。

那個所謂的反例，當中「鳥會飛」這個前提本身是錯誤的。
前提假設是錯的話，推論方式是正確的也沒用。但不能說三段式論證有反例。

實際上那個「鳥會飛」是屬於「歸納法」的問題。
「歸納法」取之於經驗，一但有超出經驗的例外，所歸納出的法則就破滅。
比如大多數人所見的天鵝都是白色的，所以依經驗歸納出「凡是天鵝都是白色的」
然而最後發現澳大利亞有一種黑天鵝，這個例外使「凡是天鵝都是白色的」破滅。

所以文中「鳥會飛」是屬於「歸納法」的問題，不能指涉邏輯推論錯誤。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>嗯，上面例子中的那個反例不代表邏輯推論錯誤吧。<br />
三段式論證本身是純粹嚴謹的。</p>
<p>那個所謂的反例，當中「鳥會飛」這個前提本身是錯誤的。<br />
前提假設是錯的話，推論方式是正確的也沒用。但不能說三段式論證有反例。</p>
<p>實際上那個「鳥會飛」是屬於「歸納法」的問題。<br />
「歸納法」取之於經驗，一但有超出經驗的例外，所歸納出的法則就破滅。<br />
比如大多數人所見的天鵝都是白色的，所以依經驗歸納出「凡是天鵝都是白色的」<br />
然而最後發現澳大利亞有一種黑天鵝，這個例外使「凡是天鵝都是白色的」破滅。</p>
<p>所以文中「鳥會飛」是屬於「歸納法」的問題，不能指涉邏輯推論錯誤。</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Thursday</title>
		<link>http://mmdays.com/2008/03/11/eeggi_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-15893</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Thursday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>因為知識表達系統
就是希望能夠把已經知道的屬性
應用在同一類的物體上面
但是依照類別繼承屬性之後
發現有太多例外的物件
如果只有一個例外...那麼可以直接處理例外就好
但是例外很多...或是新事物進來之後甚麼時候會變成例外
就不曉得了
原本想要省力氣的繼承屬性的方法
應用下去卻無法保證邏輯推論的正確
只好發明其他可以省力氣繼承屬性
卻又不會造成邏輯推論錯誤的運算方式
也就是後來的人想要解決的問題了...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>因為知識表達系統<br />
就是希望能夠把已經知道的屬性<br />
應用在同一類的物體上面<br />
但是依照類別繼承屬性之後<br />
發現有太多例外的物件<br />
如果只有一個例外&#8230;那麼可以直接處理例外就好<br />
但是例外很多&#8230;或是新事物進來之後甚麼時候會變成例外<br />
就不曉得了<br />
原本想要省力氣的繼承屬性的方法<br />
應用下去卻無法保證邏輯推論的正確<br />
只好發明其他可以省力氣繼承屬性<br />
卻又不會造成邏輯推論錯誤的運算方式<br />
也就是後來的人想要解決的問題了&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: anonymity</title>
		<link>http://mmdays.com/2008/03/11/eeggi_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-15891</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>如果是這樣的話，那反例的第一句「鳥會飛」不就錯誤的描述了「整個類別的性質」了嗎？
路人上</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>如果是這樣的話，那反例的第一句「鳥會飛」不就錯誤的描述了「整個類別的性質」了嗎？<br />
路人上</p>
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